Posted By Drudge at 9:31 PM - Tue Mar 10 2020

Posted By Avastar at 8:00 PM - Tue Mar 10 2020

i could see some forms of movement not being available when holding different weapons or wearing different equipment.

doing a combat roll with a rifle and mask carrier is one thing, but doing a combat roll with the addition of a 50lb rucksack.. no thx

We will always remember torch swimming

Meh, a combat roll with a 50lb rucksack is no biggie if you're in shape....I did smash my canteen though...

Can we please for the love of the Elyrian gods have a sideways flip for characters, forward flipping through a sideways wall slit makes zero sense.

If you go on Mixamo and go here:

https://www.mixamo.com/#/?page=1&query=jump&type=Motion%2CMotionPack

There is a ready made one, second animation from the top left.

So is this built upon the PAX demo? Or completely new?

New

Dear Caspian, Vye and Serpentius!

I personally don't consider this progress. We had something like that years ago.

Actually my only hope is that you have something else to show before the next State of Elyria.

Otherwise, it will be just ridiculous - in my opinion.

They rebuilt the PAX demo?

If you’re talking about something like the silvermine run then kinda? In their own coding, engine, assets and the low poly version of the game.

@Jormongandr: very tight explanations, much appreciated!! Thanks!

I've read through the thread and I agree with a lot of the concerns people have posted as I am also quite disappointed with this.

For a project in such an infantile stage I believe posting such lackluster content only damages it, I would've preferred you posted nothing compared to this. How is someone new to the project supposed to feel after reading so much information about these grand plans only to be met by a tech demo of a character climbing around? If anything, the old E3 video still holds up better than this.

I'm pretty disappointed with this. One unpaid intern could have done this in a week. A day if using pre-built UE4 assets.

With so many millions spent and so many years in development I'd really expect much better, even in a pre-alpha.

I personally would probably not have shared this video. Even ignoring the really low poly models & textures which I'm assuming are part of the low poly client (and standard affair in this stage of development), even the animations are really clunky, and the animation transitions.

I'd probably reserve demos like this for alpha backers, and put up real client more polished stuff for everyone else. Otherwise it'll just inevitably hurt the brand. Alpha backers do need to see stuff like this to provide feedback though. That is, alpha backers that actually understand their purpose in an alpha. And I'd label it like asset testing rather than showing off progress.

Okay let me go through this like I'm in an alpha trying to find stuff that could/should be improved:

I'll start with animations.

The walking, which we see up to 10 seconds into the video. It's just weird. Especially how the arms are held out in front of the character like they're carrying a package just wobbling side to side. The run itself is pretty flat footed and I'd say almost waddling.

The transition coming off from the ladder that we see at around 18 seconds is super janky and needs corrected.

The sliding, I'd probably add a few variations because it is it seems a bit odd, and pretty stiff.

The jumping animations are okay, but they're a bit too casual looking for what the character's doing. Almost like playing hopscotch or something rather than jumping from platforms. The back being stiff and largely uninvolved probably plays a huge part in this. The whole body should be involved. Like movement with the arms, a bent torso, and some full body movement looking like the body is actually vaulting rather than just a casual skip.

The handrail sliding thing was okay with the rope. Could probably look into variations of the animation with more momentum added that look more athletic.

I'd probably add a few different fall variations, because falling on your face every time could get a bit silly.

The jump at 1:24 seems a bit weird. I'd say almost sort of a side-jump animation? It needs some work as well, like the other standard jump animation.

The balancing bit seems a bit too stiff. I'd probably look at variations in that, especially with characters that have a stat for acrobatic stuff. So the ones with worse in it would be more shaky and wobbly but ones with more would be more solid and do it more easily to the point that it's like Altair in Assassin's Creed just running across a tight rope.

The jumping from the grid thing at 2:24 needs a bit of work. And the way the legs & stuff are behaving overall on the grid thing could also use a bit of looking at.

The weird slump after jumping to the land after the grid thing could use some improvement. Like, not doing that.

The mid air roll thing at 2:40-ish is real janky, and its transitions.

At 2:53 or so, jumping from one ceiling log thing to another, it is sooo janky. Then jumping to the platform after that, the animation/pose is just really ... in need of improvement.

The jump at 3:03 is just weird. Like someone skipping.

The weird jankiness on the log that follows up to around 3:09 also needs to be looked at.

Then jumping to the log which lands at 3:10 is just really really bad. You can also see more of the super jankiness on the log around 3:17 and around there. And really we have that terrible jump to another log after that again at like 3:22 which is almost like a t-pose in the jump.

The transitions leading up to 3:28 really need looked at.

The animations for the wall running/jumping at the end also need modified a bit to put a bit more weight & energy behind them.

I won't comment on the other stuff for now, but that should be a good start.

I personally find it concerning that we're in 2020 and we're once again shown another parkor thing. Where's the meat and potatoes of this MMO.

Where's the aging systems, the heir systems, the ... anything other than parkor systems? I didn't throw a bunch of money at this project because it was a tomb raider style game.

Here's hoping that in 2020 they start showing off the stuff that got people hooked and into the game. Here's hoping we start getting something playable and in our hands soon.

got to love the die-hard fans down voting everyone who has concerns.

This is by no means progress towards the game it is a demo. A demo is a independent module and not part of the game. So with a demo you only test the demo not the actual game itself.

Stay safe and healthy

Posted By Jormongandr at 1:20 PM - Mon Mar 23 2020

Posted By Tiffany at 10:46 AM - Thu Mar 19 2020

I'm pretty disappointed with this. One unpaid intern could have done this in a week. A day if using pre-built UE4 assets.

With so many millions spent and so many years in development I'd really expect much better, even in a pre-alpha.

I personally would probably not have shared this video. Even ignoring the really low poly models & textures which I'm assuming are part of the low poly client (and standard affair in this stage of development), even the animations are really clunky, and the animation transitions.

Yep, pre-alpha graphics which include pre-alpha animations. Most of the animations are a few quick poses, just enough to vet the animation systems and provide a hint of visual feedback as to what is happening. These are by no means final or polished and won't be shipping with the game. It's just a snapshot of where we're at in development.

Thanks for the write up, I made sure you're notes were on our list, a lot of them we already knew about, this helps reinforce that work when we get to that stage ;)

Good stuff. I'm only Alpha 2 but when I can get in I'll write up as much stuff as I can in detail to try and help the dev team. I've done it for a number of games. So I've gotten pretty good at it. :)