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Added titles and new values don't match up?

So I picked my domain with my additional titles today - and to my confusion realized that the added values for my title and the prior minimal values for the settlement once put together were in no way accurate? I am curious as to the explanation perhaps on this or if I had missed something because I'm being short changed about 60 citizens as a minimal population and what should have been my parcel minimal value is now way off of my new minimum which really confuses me. Here are the pictures depicting it all, and I have it recorded on video since I streamed the event in case someone doesn't quite understand what I mean.

So here you can see the previous values before the final confirmation and then the combined values.

I understand that my population and parcel count can still fall within the given threshold of numbers - Just confused why the minimal outcome is so fudged? If I missed a prior post about this please feel free to show me where!


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9/9/2019 11:05:03 PM #1

First

Okay all jokes aside. I have noticed this with other settlements too and would like to see if the problem will be figured out or if it will be stuck like this come expo and launch,

9/10/2019 1:45:12 AM #2

Does it really matter when you're still sitting on a minimum of 434 pop and 90 parcels..?


9/10/2019 1:51:45 AM #3

yeah it's only 12 parcels off.. that's like what, more than an additional mayor package.. no big deal to throw one of those away ;)

9/10/2019 2:00:59 AM #4

Posted By Noslim at 8:51 PM - Mon Sep 09 2019

yeah it's only 12 parcels off.. that's like what, more than an additional mayor package.. no big deal to throw one of those away ;)

Fair; and I suppose I'd be moderately up in arms if I was shorted on my settlement as well. Albeit I'm far smaller and that could result in not getting a settlement upgrade.

Whereas people with massive settlements like that are going to be set with a capital either-which-way.


9/10/2019 2:15:12 AM #5

From what I've observed there seems to be a minus and plus range of a few % on all values (15%?), except if the middle range value is within the requirement for a settlement rank increase (e.g. from town to city), in which case the minimum gets adjusted up to be within the requirement.

9/10/2019 12:13:21 PM #6

Average of 115-155 is 136. Add 375 to 136 and you'll get 511. Which is average of your new min (434) and max (587). The min-max range just gets bigger when there is more people.

Otherwise upgrading a 15-20 population hamlet to capital could have something like 1500-1505 population. Instead it'll be 1200-1800. Numbers are not exact or anything, but you should get the point.


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9/10/2019 12:25:26 PM #7

So if i understand correctly you get an upgrade if the settlement reaches the parcels and pop on average? so lets say 22-31 parcels (average 26/27(lets take 26) + 25 parcels = 51 average with range 43 - 59 (both rounded to nearest)

The average says yes this is a city, the min no

Pops are in this not a consideration as with double titles you tend to go easily over the caps.

Would this then become a city? or stay a town? is it actually confirmed this size gets calculated by the averag?


9/10/2019 1:12:49 PM #8

would love something official on this


9/10/2019 1:30:54 PM #9

I saw this too... my town prior to selection was 41-50something and my 2 extra count titles were supposed to add +50... should be minimum 91 but instead shows minimum 84 now. Still made the city cutoff so its not a huge deal but just wondering how that adds up.


9/10/2019 1:46:42 PM #10

Posted By Nahkahiiri at 08:13 AM - Tue Sep 10 2019

Average of 115-155 is 136. Add 375 to 136 and you'll get 511. Which is average of your new min (434) and max (587). The min-max range just gets bigger when there is more people.

Otherwise upgrading a 15-20 population hamlet to capital could have something like 1500-1505 population. Instead it'll be 1200-1800. Numbers are not exact or anything, but you should get the point.

So, calculate your current average (before applying new population), and then add your new population to that. From there you'll be able to get approx. your new range: ~85% - 115% of your new average?

*Edit: Should have said Parcels -or- Population, depending on which you are trying to calculate.


9/10/2019 2:17:39 PM #11

Posted By Lordnym at 08:46 AM - Tue Sep 10 2019

Posted By Nahkahiiri at 08:13 AM - Tue Sep 10 2019

Average of 115-155 is 136. Add 375 to 136 and you'll get 511. Which is average of your new min (434) and max (587). The min-max range just gets bigger when there is more people.

Otherwise upgrading a 15-20 population hamlet to capital could have something like 1500-1505 population. Instead it'll be 1200-1800. Numbers are not exact or anything, but you should get the point.

So, calculate your current average (before applying new population), and then add your new population to that. From there you'll be able to get approx. your new range: ~85% - 115% of your new average?

I can confirm this is exactly what happened. It wasn't my expected behavior though and it would explain why some people aren't getting the upgrades they hoped. If you just add your extra parcels to your old minimum its not going to give the right number, your final minimum will be lower than that, and your final maximum will be higher.


9/10/2019 7:01:27 PM #12

This deserves to be clarified or confirmed.


9/10/2019 7:11:02 PM #13

If it’s not obvious for you lately, this is because they do not want you to accurately calculate the settlement baseline, it’s the same with basic towns that have a visible minimum less than 25 parcels. Those towns are still at the minimum for a town (true minimum being 25 parcels and true minimum 75 population) but i’m not going to lie it’s shady as shit and the devs need to stop obfuscate just for their idea that immersion must be maintained, I personally placed in a city more than 50 parcels minimum, added 75 but ended with 120 minimum on the range of parcels. But as I already stated this is for their purposes of obfuscation of true details of a given settlement. So before you all get Uber up in arms about crap you weren’t aware of before hand, take that into consideration. It’s Obfuscation not shorting you parcels.

And on a side note, given this is supposed to be a “census” record census records don’t deal in non exact numbers so there’s no reason the devs should be pulling this kind of crap.


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9/10/2019 7:12:55 PM #14

I lost 45 citizens and 9 parcels aswell!

9/10/2019 7:17:02 PM #15

I'm fine with having a range of values. Not once have I asked on forums for completely accurate information.

I just think it is shady as hell to show certain values in the DSS app that don't mean anything and influence you to try and upgrade your settlement. Like what logical person see's a settlement range of 22-26 with your title additions (+100) directly next to it and assume you have to do additional math to see what that +100 actually means and if it is going to upgrade your settlement.


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