23 August

Limited time County Upgrade!

By Serpentius

Greetings Elyrians!

Today we bring glad tidings and cheerful news.

Having seen the maps, we've received feedback from a ton of Mayors-who-would-be Counts-and-Countesses, who are concerned about their prospects during the Dutch auction. To solve this, a new item has been created and is now available for purchase! Find it in the promotions section of our online store.

New Items!

Update!

Due to popular demand, we have added the Mayor Title as a standalone item in the ala carte store.

Mayor Title

If you haven't got your fill of Mayor Titles, have never had one before, or you wish you had more titles to upgrade to a county, this is for you!

  • A Bloodline package or above is required to purchase.
  • This item cannot be bundled, transferred, or traded in for EP.
  • Purchasing this item will give you an admission time during Domain & Settlement Selection, if you previously had no other titles.
  • This item can be merged with other Mayor Titles during D&SS to increase the size of a settlement.
  • This item can be upgraded to a Count or Countess Title via the County Upgrade item.

Limit: 6

County Upgrade

Upgrade a Mayor Title to a Count or Countess Title without upgrading your pledge package.

Description:

Upgrade an existing Mayor Title into a Count or Countess Title, allowing you to claim a County (and a Settlement inside that County) during Domain & Settlement Selection at your existing pick time! This upgrades just the title, and does not give additional pledge package rewards. No need to wait until the Dutch auction after the main event to take your place among the nobility of Elyria.

Details

  • This item will appear as a 'Count or Countess Title (Mayor Upgrade)' in your inventory, however it is identical in all ways to a 'Count or Countess Title' aside from the limitations specified below.
  • Purchasing this item does not change admission time or pick week. Because Influence has been locked for D&SS as of August 19, 2019 at 11:59pm PDT, Influence Points will still be awarded to the account but will not factor into pick times for this event.
  • The 'Count or Countess (Mayor Upgrade)' item replaces a Mayor Title item in your inventory and cannot be undone.
  • The new item cannot be bundled, transferred, or traded in for EP.
  • The item can be merged with other Count or Countess Titles during D&SS to create a multi-county.
  • This item is not purchasable by accounts with a Free Kingdom title.

Availability: This item will disappear from our online store at the end of Domain and Settlement Selection and before the Dutch auction.

Quantity: There will be a limited number of these items available per server.

We hope you enjoy this new item as we speed ahead towards Domain and Settlement Selection!

Discuss

Log in to post
Wise_Insights - 1 month ago

Scenario: Have 6 counties What if your first pick only touches 4 other counties. What are the options for claiming the 6th?

ShadowTani - 1 month ago
@Wise_Insights:

Posted By Wise_Insights at 9:03 PM - Sun Sep 08 2019

Scenario: Have 6 counties What if your first pick only touches 4 other counties. What are the options for claiming the 6th?

The additional counties don't need to touch the first, there's two restrictions to multi counties:

  1. The third county and beyond must be chosen from whatever neighboring counties share the most borders with the counties you've already selected. The length of the borders don't matter though. i.e. you can't pick counties that only share a single border with one of your counties if there are other counties that share two or more borders with your other counties.

  2. Out of the 24 counties within a Duchy only 16 of those counties can be part of multi-counties.

Otisian - 1 month ago

This would be worth upgrading to Count, if they provide the items for that level.

Tyrgrim - 1 month ago

well, I regret that I bought the mayor package....

I don t need the early access ect - could have saved alot of money...-.-

Well, I guess its typical SbS... ;)

Dekul - 1 month ago
@Tyrgrim:

Posted By Tyrgrim at 9:16 PM - Tue Sep 03 2019

well, I regret that I bought the mayor package....

I don t need the early access ect - could have saved alot of money...-.-

Well, I guess its typical SbS... ;)

you still need at least a bloodline package to buy it... $135 + the upgrade and you're back up to kickstarter prices, just with less rewards. No fancy house, cloaks, pets, etc.

Axon - 1 month ago

Got it, thanks. I just wish I knew this option might become available. :-/

Axon - 1 month ago

I did not select a server yet -- for a few reasons, but part of the reason was because I am only a Bloodline rank and was not expecting to need to take part in the D&SS process.

If I purchase a Mayor title, will I be hampered by my lack of server selection? What if I make a server selection and then purchase?

ShadowTani - 1 month ago
@Axon:

Posted By Axon at 03:44 AM - Mon Sep 02 2019

If I purchase a Mayor title, will I be hampered by my lack of server selection? What if I make a server selection and then purchase?

You'll unfortunately be picking at the end of DSS. Fortunately there is a huge lack of mayors, so don't be afraid to contact the community in that domain to hear what your chances are in regards to claiming the settlement you're interested in.

Posted By Vye at 02:55 AM - Wed Aug 28 2019

Any account that did not have a primary server selected by August 19 at 11:59 PDT will not be able to participate in the main event, and must wait until after the event is over. Anyone who has not yet made their selections by the end of the event, for any reason, will still be able to claim properties with their titles during the property auction that is planned for after the Domain & Settlement Selection Event.

Buteoo - 1 month ago

Very nice Serpentius

VioletWinterlynn - 1 month ago

It has to be clustered. They hav ego touch as many sides as possible to the previous.

Wise_Insights - 1 month ago

Is there a limitation to how a county can claim their multi-counties? Can they put 3 in a line or 5 in a line or 6 in a hex?

hizoo6969 - 1 month ago

sc

PetterMolander - 1 month ago

By how much does settlement increase in population and parcels, When merging a Mayor title with another?

Focii - 1 month ago
@PetterMolander:

Posted By PetterMolander at 12:03 AM - Thu Aug 29 2019

By how much does settlement increase in population and parcels, When merging a Mayor title with another?

9 parcels 45 population

Gunnlang - 1 month ago
@Focii:

Posted By Focii at 3:44 PM - Thu Aug 29 2019

Posted By PetterMolander at 12:03 AM - Thu Aug 29 2019

By how much does settlement increase in population and parcels, When merging a Mayor title with another?

9 parcels 45 population

That seems huge. Does that mean a count would get more? I remember reading somewhere 15 parcels, but not sure if that was for a higher title holder. Yet even a mayor getting 45 pop.. that's insane. No wonder some multi title holders are getting insanely big towns.

Takeda_Shinukage - 1 month ago
@Gunnlang:

Posted By Gunnlang at 08:36 AM - Thu Aug 29 2019

Posted By Focii at 3:44 PM - Thu Aug 29 2019

Posted By PetterMolander at 12:03 AM - Thu Aug 29 2019

By how much does settlement increase in population and parcels, When merging a Mayor title with another?

9 parcels 45 population

That seems huge. Does that mean a count would get more? I remember reading somewhere 15 parcels, but not sure if that was for a higher title holder. Yet even a mayor getting 45 pop.. that's insane. No wonder some multi title holders are getting insanely big towns.

I just picked up some, no it's still the same +9 +45 if a count buys the mayor title.

Gunnlang - 1 month ago
@Takeda_Shinukage:

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 10:57 AM - Fri Aug 30 2019

I just picked up some, no it's still the same +9 +45 if a count buys the mayor title.

Hmm I glad I read this. I been thinking all day about buying one. Thinking if I really got heaps of parcels. Could get myself a city.

1mmaculateDeception - 1 month ago

This could have some very interesting ramifications at the County level. The Count upgrade package was only the upper half of the ladder.

Now with this mayor package, Counts will be able to rather cheaply build up their multi county groupings.

For 455 dollars, someone can add another county to their existing stack. That's less than half the price of how folks used to have to do that.

Gunnlang - 1 month ago

I'm really curious if all these titles sold now, are going to be more expensive than the auction that's coming up. Why would someone buy now over waiting? They already be picking basically last anyway. I just don't really understand it.

Drunva - 1 month ago
@Gunnlang:

Posted By Gunnlang at 9:26 PM - Wed Aug 28 2019

I'm really curious if all these titles sold now, are going to be more expensive than the auction that's coming up. Why would someone buy now over waiting? They already be picking basically last anyway. I just don't really understand it.

I think it helps the very specific case of Mayors who want to upgrade to Count but don't want to have to pick a hamlet or village first as opposed to Bloodline tier folks who could claim both a Count title and the larger settlement. This kinda Mayors in a bind where they'd have to forgo their Mayor pick to get the same chance as a lower tier.

Solas_AGhrian - 1 month ago

So as a standing Count that did not previously have access to the mayor upgrade to count, does this mean that I can now purchase a Mayor title then upgrade it to Count and then during my current pick time for D&SS, merge two counties that are adjacent to one another?

Aelwyn_Ceinwen - 1 month ago

The announcement states: The item can be merged with other Count or Countess Titles during D&SS to create a multi-county.

I'm a little confused as to when the two accounts can be merged.

Does merging occur after both counties are picked by each separate account at their scheduled pick time, will there be an option during DSS to merge with an adjacent county or will you be allowing another round of account merging prior to DSS resuming?

ShadowTani - 1 month ago
@Aelwyn_Ceinwen:

Posted By Aelwyn_Ceinwen at 9:56 PM - Tue Aug 27 2019

Does merging occur after both counties are picked by each separate account at their scheduled pick time, will there be an option during DSS to merge with an adjacent county or will you be allowing another round of account merging prior to DSS resuming?

That information wasn't relevant to separate accounts. It's only relevant for existing count accounts that have an extra mayor title. These counts can use this opportunity to upgrade that mayor title to another count title. This entitles them to pick one additional county at the time of their pick. The counties they pick will have to share a border however and will be merged into a single county.

If you plan to merge count titles of separate accounts it's possible you might have to wait until the in-game Sedecim to do so, though one can hope they have a pre-exposition Sedecim or something so that people can get their intended borders in place before they get to world building.

DeGoeke - 1 month ago

Out of money already?

Hugh Bris - 1 month ago
@DeGoeke:

Posted By DeGoeke at 7:56 PM - Mon Aug 26 2019

Out of money already?

I wouldn't think so but this does seem a bit cash grabby, IMHO.

Which is fine but I wish they'd be more open about it. "Hey, we've go a LOT of vacant counties, would you like to buy one for 375 bucks?"

That a helluva lot cheaper than the actual Count package, even with the cost of the Mayor level you'd need to have. Granted, you don't get any of the Count perks and you'd likely need to buy a lot of EP to fix your county up.

Hallvard - 1 month ago

Can we at least name the county which we pick. I think something like that should be included

Hugh Bris - 1 month ago
@Hallvard:

Posted By Hallvard at 07:17 AM - Mon Aug 26 2019

Can we at least name the county which we pick. I think something like that should be included

You get to do all the stuff a Count would do so with your county... yeah. I mean it would be weird if you couldn't.

Hugh Bris - 1 month ago

Also... why would any of you downvote my question? There's no sense in that.

VioletWinterlynn - 1 month ago

You're able to buy it till the end of DSS. Which means, you're able to buy it past/to your time of picking. You don't need to upgrade, nor are you required to.

If you want to see if you can get a nice county that you actually like, then wait and upgrade. If you end up not wanting to upgrade, you can just pick your settlement like normal.

Hugh Bris - 1 month ago
@VioletWinterlynn:

Posted By VioletWinterlynn at 11:16 PM - Sun Aug 25 2019

You're able to buy it till the end of DSS. Which means, you're able to buy it past/to your time of picking. You don't need to upgrade, nor are you required to.

If you want to see if you can get a nice county that you actually like, then wait and upgrade. If you end up not wanting to upgrade, you can just pick your settlement like normal.

That's an interesting wrinkle...

Still... I see this being potentially disruptive. Luna started with 975 of them and there are 676 left... Assuming all of them sold that's either going to be solo players squeezing into a duchy, people sneaking in an extra county for themsleves on the cheap, or something like that.

Assuming the way you describe it works for someone that's cool but some folks that try and squeak into a duchy are going to be surprised by the other folks that know each other. Bad News Bears.

Hugh Bris - 1 month ago

I don't understand how this would work or be a benefit...

I'm a "mayor" we go at the end in some sort of random order. If I buy this I get to be a Count and get a county but I still pick at the same time I would have with the other Mayors so I may not be able to place even my town in the place I wanted, let alone a county. It's possible I could end up worse because of this and out 375 bucks on top of it.

I'm probably missing something but I'm not sure how this "helps" Mayors.

Noslim - 1 month ago
@Hugh Bris:

Posted By Hugh Bris at 9:40 PM - Sun Aug 25 2019

I don't understand how this would work or be a benefit...

I'm a "mayor" we go at the end in some sort of random order. If I buy this I get to be a Count and get a county but I still pick at the same time I would have with the other Mayors so I may not be able to place even my town in the place I wanted, let alone a county. It's possible I could end up worse because of this and out 375 bucks on top of it.

I'm probably missing something but I'm not sure how this "helps" Mayors.

IMO this helps a mayor that intended to purchase a county through RA.

Before this was offered if a mayor was looking at a county with a town and hamlet in it, as a mayor, they could only select the hamlet since the town was reserved for a count.

If they intended to purchase the county through RA they would have to select the hamlet, purchase through RA and the hamlet upgrades to a town but they are stuck in that position and can't claim the original town they wanted.

This upgrade allows them to do just that and start in the town position that was more desirable to them for whatever reason.

Nanyetah - 1 month ago

mm. I'm not sure you want me for your mayor. I do care about people. I care about society. I obey the laws.

I am pretending to believe in your religion. sorry.

MoltenDarkness - 1 month ago

Thank you for the opportunity to upgrade!

Rullke - 1 month ago

I am wondering if you upgrade to the count package would you be able to pick the last settlement in a county during the mayor pick time? And if so could that cause an issue with bumping people out of an area if you pick the county with say only two settlements in it?

Oracle - 1 month ago

A couple of people have posted coments that suggest this may give some Mayors better settlement picks. This does NOT appear to be the case as it clearly states this will NOT change your pick week or order. You wojld still be picking the same time.

In regards to merging counties with existing titles however,this does provide an opportunity for high IP counts to mop up more territories before anyone else gets a look in.

As a result, expect options to decrease if you were as already a count. If, like me, you were a count already, your options just went down.

Drunva - 1 month ago
@Oracle:

Posted By Oracle at 05:24 AM - Sat Aug 24 2019

A couple of people have posted coments that suggest this may give some Mayors better settlement picks. This does NOT appear to be the case as it clearly states this will NOT change your pick week or order. You wojld still be picking the same time.

Why the pick time doesn't change, if said mayor is now a Count they can pick the Town in one of the several counties with only a single Town+ settlement. The current pick rules dictate that a Count needs at least a town so normally that 1 Town would be reserved and the mayor would have to pick a smaller settlement.

Nanyetah - 1 month ago

well, I will not ever admit how much I have spent on games. Never. The main thing is, I don't know this game well enough to commit to running anything bigger than a store.

I will not do a set political role.

I did choose a king. I will choose a region and comply with the laws. I did notice I will be one of the only of my tribe there. I am there for trade.

History - 1 month ago

Can't wait for the game to come out it's going to be great.

Crystevil - 1 month ago

Money money money :)) Money rush...A new opportunity to make some money :)

Tilarium - 1 month ago

Something I was just thinking about. While we can’t undo the upgrade, if we have two mayor titles and upgrade one to count, then decide we don’t want to be a count anymore, can we trade it in or otherwise destroy it and use our other Mayor title instead?

I still have both titles from a tale of two hamlets. I have worked with my Duke and picked a county, but I’m paranoid I’ll get the upgrade now only to find all the good counties in the duchy are taken.

Drunva - 1 month ago
@Tilarium:

Posted By Tilarium at 6:20 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Something I was just thinking about. While we can’t undo the upgrade, if we have two mayor titles and upgrade one to count, then decide we don’t want to be a count anymore, can we trade it in or otherwise destroy it and use our other Mayor title instead?

I still have both titles from a tale of two hamlets. I have worked with my Duke and picked a county, but I’m paranoid I’ll get the upgrade now only to find all the good counties in the duchy are taken.

Just wait to upgrade till your pick then, or at least after Count pick period. Depending on your server there are a stupid high number of them

Tilarium - 1 month ago
@Drunva:

Posted By Drunva at 6:50 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Posted By Tilarium at 6:20 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Something I was just thinking about. While we can’t undo the upgrade, if we have two mayor titles and upgrade one to count, then decide we don’t want to be a count anymore, can we trade it in or otherwise destroy it and use our other Mayor title instead?

I still have both titles from a tale of two hamlets. I have worked with my Duke and picked a county, but I’m paranoid I’ll get the upgrade now only to find all the good counties in the duchy are taken.

Just wait to upgrade till your pick then, or at least after Count pick period. Depending on your server there are a stupid high number of them

That’s my plan right now, but figured I’d ask and see if Snipe could give some insight. Probably not something they considered originally. I’m one of the top IP mayors in my server, so not worried of other mayors, just random Counts.

Snipehunter - 1 month ago
@Tilarium:

Posted By Tilarium at 4:40 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

That’s my plan right now, but figured I’d ask and see if Snipe could give some insight. Probably not something they considered originally. I’m one of the top IP mayors in my server, so not worried of other mayors, just random Counts.

Honestly, I feel like that should just work, but I don't actually know how the mayor upgrade was authored, so I can't actually say that's officially the case or anything. I'll ask Caspian on Monday when we do our morning outreach review though.

Tilarium - 1 month ago
@Snipehunter:

Posted By Snipehunter at 11:22 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Posted By Tilarium at 4:40 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

That’s my plan right now, but figured I’d ask and see if Snipe could give some insight. Probably not something they considered originally. I’m one of the top IP mayors in my server, so not worried of other mayors, just random Counts.

Honestly, I feel like that should just work, but I don't actually know how the mayor upgrade was authored, so I can't actually say that's officially the case or anything. I'll ask Caspian on Monday when we do our morning outreach review though.

Cool, thanks for adding it to the notes list for Monday.

History - 1 month ago

wait so you get a count or countess title to get land even if you didn't buy it from a pledge pack?

Miothadil - 1 month ago

I get what it solves for mayors, but what needed solving for huge multi whale counts that that particular rule solves?

Unless this was meant to be read as allowing upgraded mayor counts to upgrade further by stacking mayor-count upgrades? Then existing counts wouldn't be affected in their week and that would be fine.

So some clarification please?

Stelaphina - 1 month ago
@Miothadil:

Posted By Miothadil at 2:23 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

I get what it solves for mayors, but what needed solving for huge multi whale counts that that particular rule solves?

Unless this was meant to be read as allowing upgraded mayor counts to upgrade further by stacking mayor-count upgrades? Then existing counts wouldn't be affected in their week and that would be fine.

So some clarification please?

The mayors who upgrade are still picking during the mayor week so it will not impact the Count week. Also as IP was locked on August 19, any purchases by current counts will not push them forward in picking order either.

Miothadil - 1 month ago
@Stelaphina:

Posted By Stelaphina at 8:35 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Posted By Miothadil at 2:23 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

I get what it solves for mayors, but what needed solving for huge multi whale counts that that particular rule solves?

Unless this was meant to be read as allowing upgraded mayor counts to upgrade further by stacking mayor-count upgrades? Then existing counts wouldn't be affected in their week and that would be fine.

So some clarification please?

The mayors who upgrade are still picking during the mayor week so it will not impact the Count week. Also as IP was locked on August 19, any purchases by current counts will not push them forward in picking order either.

Indeed that expired shortly after the announcement while half the world was sleeping. Even though it had not previously been confirmed or denied that the old IP lock had been lifted, nor that timeslot changes would be removed and a new IP lock made. Not beyond mere rumours and discussing potential plans. With plenty favouring sticking to the rules that were already made and just getting on with it.

Now I get your personal enthusiasm, and counts can indeed not move past others. But big multi's can buy even more now, this messes up what can be placed in a duchy. And precisely because IP was locked, if an even marginally lower IP count now felt the need to do anything about that they can't. So the whales win even more, nomads can drop in bigger and I'm wondering how all of that benefits the issue that mayors had?

VanHarsen - 1 month ago

Also waiting for an answer to Wolfie question.

WolfieThe13th - 1 month ago

"The item can be merged with other Count or Countess Titles during D&SS to create a multi-county."

What does this mean exactly? Does this mean we can combine the titles with someone else to have a double county?

Eadward - 1 month ago
@WolfieThe13th:

Posted By WolfieThe13th at 8/23/2019 5:51:26 PM

"The item can be merged with other Count or Countess Titles during D&SS to create a multi-county."

What does this mean exactly? Does this mean we can combine the titles with someone else to have a double county?

Means if you already have a county, and also an extra mayor package, you can turn this extra mayor package into a count package with this upgrade, and become a double count.

Stelaphina - 1 month ago

Removed - misunderstood the previous post, apologies.

Gorvikos - 1 month ago

As this is a very steep price that is only useful in a specific situation can someone give me some confirmation on the following scenario.

I have my eye on a town in a county with only 1 town there for I can not pick it. Now assuming no count claims my town or no double county developes (which is actually the best senario as I can then pick the town) leaving the town available during my pick time. Can I purchase the upgrade at that moment or will it be too late? Also if it isnt to late how long until it kicks in?

Drunva - 1 month ago
@Gorvikos:

Posted By Gorvikos at 12:02 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

As this is a very steep price that is only useful in a specific situation can someone give me some confirmation on the following scenario.

I have my eye on a town in a county with only 1 town there for I can not pick it. Now assuming no count claims my town or no double county developes (which is actually the best senario as I can then pick the town) leaving the town available during my pick time. Can I purchase the upgrade at that moment or will it be too late? Also if it isnt to late how long until it kicks in?

The Upgradeoffer doesn't expire until after DSS so as long as they haven't sold out by then, I think this works fine. In fact, it's probably the most optimal way to use it. So as long as you upgraded to count via this Upgrade I would expect that you WOULD be able to select the County and then the town.

Tilarium - 1 month ago
@Drunva:

Posted By WolfieThe13th at 1:51 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

"The item can be merged with other Count or Countess Titles during D&SS to create a multi-county."

What does this mean exactly? Does this mean we can combine the titles with someone else to have a double county?

It means if you have a mayor title and a count title in your inventory then you can upgrade the mayor to a count and be a double count.

Posted By Drunva at 12:21 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Posted By Gorvikos at 12:02 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

As this is a very steep price that is only useful in a specific situation can someone give me some confirmation on the following scenario.

I have my eye on a town in a county with only 1 town there for I can not pick it. Now assuming no count claims my town or no double county developes (which is actually the best senario as I can then pick the town) leaving the town available during my pick time. Can I purchase the upgrade at that moment or will it be too late? Also if it isnt to late how long until it kicks in?

The Upgradeoffer doesn't expire until after DSS so as long as they haven't sold out by then, I think this works fine. In fact, it's probably the most optimal way to use it. So as long as you upgraded to count via this Upgrade I would expect that you WOULD be able to select the County and then the town.

This. Honestly, it’s the best option if you have your eye on a certain county. I’m planning to drop into a specific county which is currently know to be countless. Some random unknown count could claim it though, forcing me out of the county as even a mayor. I’m waiting until it’s close to my pick to upgrade.

Duka - 1 month ago

Sadly still not possible to upgrade to mayor from Proprietor sadly

Snipehunter - 1 month ago
@Duka:

Posted By Duka at 08:36 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Sadly still not possible to upgrade to mayor from Proprietor sadly

That would require something similar to the count upgrade, but for bloodline+ holders to acquire a new mayor title. I don't know how much interest there is for something like that overall, but I do definitely agree that this item doesn't address that problem. :(

Taymuraz - 1 month ago
@Snipehunter:

Posted By Snipehunter at 05:29 AM - Sat Aug 24 2019

Posted By Duka at 08:36 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Sadly still not possible to upgrade to mayor from Proprietor sadly

That would require something similar to the count upgrade, but for bloodline+ holders to acquire a new mayor title. I don't know how much interest there is for something like that overall, but I do definitely agree that this item doesn't address that problem. :(

What about making it work like a layway did? Takes into account which of the three Mayor level packs someone has and deducts some of the cost accordingly?

Stelaphina - 1 month ago

I was upset when I first realized the settlement situation for my mayors, but we talked it out and they realized the benefit to a smaller settlement - the ability to customize it and grow it as you see fit.

I get it not everyone is going to be happy, but the studio responded (quickly) to the situation and came up, with what I think was an excellent idea.

So you can sit here and cry that it's still unfair or put on your big boy pants and realize it has been said many times over mayors are NOT guaranteed a town or higher, then decide what you want to do. You can select a town+ outside of your current community, you can be happy with a hamlet or village and customize it to make it your own, you can purchase the Count upgrade, or you can burn your title for EP.

Life isn't always fair and stuff sometimes sucks, but in this situation you have many options, life doesn't always offer you that, so do with it what you please.

Esoba - 1 month ago

Ever server except OCE has like 6000 settlements. So, finding a town+ for a mayor will not be difficult at all. However, you may find that you have to weigh whether you want to be where you are with your community, versus having a certain sized settlement. But in the end, that is the player's choice, not SBS's fault. We've been told many times that there are enough spots for folks, but you may decide to overcrowd an area, which will of course limit your options.

Lawetz Ironhard - 1 month ago

You can downvote all you want, it doesn't make my concern less valid.

NightTarot - 1 month ago
@Lawetz Ironhard:

Posted By Lawetz Ironhard at 07:11 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

You can downvote all you want, it doesn't make my concern less valid.

read my reply

DracoKalen - 1 month ago

I'd like to thanks the whole SBS team. This is a good solution that minimizes the need to jack settlements.

Thanks!

Lawetz Ironhard - 1 month ago

This is a really bad solution to a really bad problem.

Devs have now made it near impossible to get a town if you're holding a mayor title.

If you look at what counties have been historically, they almost always contained at least a few cities, several towns and dozens of villages etc.

Now you make a game where most counties contain only one town+, which is then already reserved for the count, leaving the mayors with hamlets and villages to choose from.

A lot of players bought the mayor package for 800$, and now you're surprising them by forcing them to pick a village or hamlet.

"You can upgrade during expo" is not at all what was in prospect originally.

I, as a mayor, now have in prospect that I will have to settle with a small place ruled by village elders. What is this? A giant rip-off, that's what it feels like.

NightTarot - 1 month ago
@Lawetz Ironhard:

Posted By Lawetz Ironhard at 07:02 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

This is a really bad solution to a really bad problem.

Devs have now made it near impossible to get a town if you're holding a mayor title.

If you look at what counties have been historically, they almost always contained at least a few cities, several towns and dozens of villages etc.

Now you make a game where most counties contain only one town+, which is then already reserved for the count, leaving the mayors with hamlets and villages to choose from.

A lot of players bought the mayor package for 800$, and now you're surprising them by forcing them to pick a village or hamlet.

"You can upgrade during expo" is not at all what was in prospect originally.

I, as a mayor, now have in prospect that I will have to settle with a small place ruled by village elders. What is this? A giant rip-off, that's what it feels like.

...You havent read Snipehunter's post I see

https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/32570/mayor-packages-explained TLDR: you are a village elder, but you hold majority vote so anything you say goes

Lawetz Ironhard - 1 month ago
@NightTarot:

Posted By NightTarot at 3:10 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Posted By Lawetz Ironhard at 07:02 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

This is a really bad solution to a really bad problem.

Devs have now made it near impossible to get a town if you're holding a mayor title.

If you look at what counties have been historically, they almost always contained at least a few cities, several towns and dozens of villages etc.

Now you make a game where most counties contain only one town+, which is then already reserved for the count, leaving the mayors with hamlets and villages to choose from.

A lot of players bought the mayor package for 800$, and now you're surprising them by forcing them to pick a village or hamlet.

"You can upgrade during expo" is not at all what was in prospect originally.

I, as a mayor, now have in prospect that I will have to settle with a small place ruled by village elders. What is this? A giant rip-off, that's what it feels like.

...You havent read Snipehunter's post I see

https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/32570/mayor-packages-explained TLDR: you are a village elder, but you hold majority vote so anything you say goes

What makes you believe I didn't read it? You assumed it, because..?

There is a big difference between a mayor and a village elder. When you buy a mayor package, you do NOT expect to be ruling a settlement with a few dozen people. That is not what a mayor is, and that is not what the package promised in its wording.

NightTarot - 1 month ago
@Lawetz Ironhard:

Posted By Lawetz Ironhard at 07:14 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Posted By NightTarot at 3:10 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Posted By Lawetz Ironhard at 07:02 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

This is a really bad solution to a really bad problem.

Devs have now made it near impossible to get a town if you're holding a mayor title.

If you look at what counties have been historically, they almost always contained at least a few cities, several towns and dozens of villages etc.

Now you make a game where most counties contain only one town+, which is then already reserved for the count, leaving the mayors with hamlets and villages to choose from.

A lot of players bought the mayor package for 800$, and now you're surprising them by forcing them to pick a village or hamlet.

"You can upgrade during expo" is not at all what was in prospect originally.

I, as a mayor, now have in prospect that I will have to settle with a small place ruled by village elders. What is this? A giant rip-off, that's what it feels like.

...You havent read Snipehunter's post I see

https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/32570/mayor-packages-explained TLDR: you are a village elder, but you hold majority vote so anything you say goes

What makes you believe I didn't read it? You assumed it, because..?

There is a big difference between a mayor and a village elder. When you buy a mayor package, you do NOT expect to be ruling a settlement with a few dozen people. That is not what a mayor is, and that is not what the package promised in its wording.

sorry you can't handle marketing, you get what you paid for, its just not called what you expected

ZeroCool - 1 month ago

Does this mean the cheapest I can pick up the count title in the auction is $206.25? ($375 with 45% off)

Even with the discount, still too pricey for me.

NightTarot - 1 month ago
@ZeroCool:

Posted By ZeroCool at 06:29 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Does this mean the cheapest I can pick up the count title in the auction is $206.25? ($375 with 45% off)

Even with the discount, still too pricey for me.

no thats just the price for these, they haven't made any confirmations on the dutch auction prices

KalTheo - 1 month ago

Don't do it guys... I'm a mayor with 10k IP, and it's not worth it at that price.

Wibble044 - 1 month ago

I really like the idea and im sure people will take advantage of it but $500 Canadian is a bit rich for my blood

Sir_Skylos - 1 month ago

Wait I'm confused and some people have just said something in the kingdom discord.

So as a mayor, if I pick an empty county, I can't pick the biggest town? What if I wanted to pick the county capital then upgrade during the Dutch auction?

Now instead I'm forced to pay $375 for the count upgrade on the off chance no other count picks that county I was looking at. And if they do well tough there is no refunds...

What happened to the being a game of dance of dynasties not dance of dollars?


Edit

Someone just pointed out to me that I can take a city if there is a town for the count.

I was talking about a county with a town and hamlet only

Stelaphina - 1 month ago
@Sir_Skylos:

Posted By Sir_Skylos at 05:48 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Wait I'm confused and some people have just said something in the kingdom discord.

So as a mayor, if I pick an empty county, I can't pick the biggest town? What if I wanted to pick the county capital then upgrade during the Dutch auction?

Now instead I'm forced to pay $375 for the count upgrade on the off chance no other count picks that county I was looking at. And if they do well tough there is no refunds...

What happened to the being a game of dance of dynasties not dance of dollars?


Edit

Someone just pointed out to me that I can take a city if there is a town for the count.

I was talking about a county with a town and hamlet only

I don't believe you are FORCED to pay anything. SBS listened to the complaints and actually offered something many had suggested (myself included). It allows mayors to get a decent settlement as well as being a count.

As for those complaining about the price, it is a bargain believe me, even without the extras. You have plenty of time to build up your EP before launch so you can support your county during Expo.

I am a bit disappointed in some here who still want to give the studio crap. This is proof they are listening and TRYING to give the community what it is asking for.

This is not an example of "dance of dollars", this is them having an issue arise from the community and offering a solution. I can't commend them enough for what they have done.

Woogawoman - 1 month ago
@Stelaphina:

Posted By Stelaphina at 04:49 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

It allows mayors to get a decent settlement as well as being a count.

Does that imply that Mayors who don't do this won't be able to get a "decent" settlement? I am not clear on what the original concern was that led to this.

I have no desire to be a Count/ess but I assume that if I paid to be a Mayor, I should be able to get a reasonable starting location. So what does "decent" mean, and what am I excluded from if I don't essentially double my investment?

Tilarium - 1 month ago
@Woogawoman:

Posted By Woogawoman at 2:37 PM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Posted By Stelaphina at 04:49 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

It allows mayors to get a decent settlement as well as being a count.

Does that imply that Mayors who don't do this won't be able to get a "decent" settlement? I am not clear on what the original concern was that led to this.

I have no desire to be a Count/ess but I assume that if I paid to be a Mayor, I should be able to get a reasonable starting location. So what does "decent" mean, and what am I excluded from if I don't essentially double my investment?

The problem is that a lot of people are realizing they won’t get town+ sized settlements as many counties have just one, which is reserved for the Count.

What’s considered decent is subjective. For me, I wanted a hamlet or a village along the shore with good farmland available as well. Others, decent is a town+ so they don’t have to worry about upgrading during expo to have that town they wanted.

kajoreh - 1 month ago
@Stelaphina:

Posted By Stelaphina at 8/23/2019 11:49:51 AM

Posted By Sir_Skylos at 05:48 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Wait I'm confused and some people have just said something in the kingdom discord.

So as a mayor, if I pick an empty county, I can't pick the biggest town? What if I wanted to pick the county capital then upgrade during the Dutch auction?

Now instead I'm forced to pay $375 for the count upgrade on the off chance no other count picks that county I was looking at. And if they do well tough there is no refunds...

What happened to the being a game of dance of dynasties not dance of dollars?


Edit

Someone just pointed out to me that I can take a city if there is a town for the count.

I was talking about a county with a town and hamlet only

I don't believe you are FORCED to pay anything. SBS listened to the complaints and actually offered something many had suggested (myself included). It allows mayors to get a decent settlement as well as being a count.

As for those complaining about the price, it is a bargain believe me, even without the extras. You have plenty of time to build up your EP before launch so you can support your county during Expo.

I am a bit disappointed in some here who still want to give the studio crap. This is proof they are listening and TRYING to give the community what it is asking for.

This is not an example of "dance of dollars", this is them having an issue arise from the community and offering a solution. I can't commend them enough for what they have done.

You hang some people with a new rope and they will complain that it is an old tree.

Buteoo - 1 month ago

Very nice

Sareseras - 1 month ago

I like the price so there isn't suddenly a flood of count titles, especially none who only get the title, but then lack the EP and other additions that full nobility has to support an entire county.

Those complaining now that it is too high forget that there is supposed to be a dutch auction later, with the price getting cheaper as time goes on.

If you really just want the title, wait until after DSS when it will likely be cheaper:P

Atogrim - 1 month ago

Mhm. Actually I would like to get a second mayor title ^^ Ah well shrugs

Rullke - 1 month ago

Very excited for something like this, just hoping that they all don't get brought out straight away, I have my eye on a nice little county on the Oceanic sever, now just to to cross everything that it is still available when I get a chance to pick

Paratwa - 1 month ago

Going to be bare bones with out the EP upgrades that the original Counties get. That at least should be in it so that you can build a little extra.

Flemmi - 1 month ago

This is a steep price for so little gain, why is there no EP attached to this? no earilier game access, no pledge package rewards? this is barly any cheaper than when i would have upgrades properly a few month ago. I dont have buyers remores, but it seems to me this is not worth it, unless in very specific circumstances.

Vordel - 1 month ago

I was hoping for something like this. Just cut the price in half and I'll take it.

Sakaccino - 1 month ago

This upgrades just the title, and does not give additional pledge package rewards.

  • The 'Count or Countess (Mayor Upgrade)' item replaces a Mayor Title item in your inventory and cannot be undone.

  • This item will appear as a 'Count or Countess Title (Mayor Upgrade)' in your inventory, however it is identical in all ways to a 'Count or Countess Title' aside from the limitations specified below.

Does this mean, that the Mayor pledge package rewards are also vanishing ?

Digma76 - 1 month ago

I wish they gave us the opportunity to upgrade to Mayor as well. I bet there are plenty of people who would want to do that as well, but perhaps have not been as vocal.

Drevash - 1 month ago

Well that's a good idea. Heck. Takes a lot off of some plates of stressghetti and freakoutballs

Eadward - 1 month ago

I wish it was only for accounts that don`t ALREADY have a county.

This will flip some tables for DSS as top pickers now pick yet another slice before the rest.

Desdark - 1 month ago

I understand the limitations for FK...but should be cool a ''setlement upgrade pack'' with land and population so people can upgrade, within DSS, a hamlet, village or town and pick the ''right'' location.

Lofi - 1 month ago

"The item can be merged with other Count or Countess Titles during D&SS to create a multi-county."

How does this work?

VioletWinterlynn - 1 month ago
@Lofi:

Posted By Sakaccino at 12:23 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

This upgrades just the title, and does not give additional pledge package rewards.

  • The 'Count or Countess (Mayor Upgrade)' item replaces a Mayor Title item in your inventory and cannot be undone.

  • This item will appear as a 'Count or Countess Title (Mayor Upgrade)' in your inventory, however it is identical in all ways to a 'Count or Countess Title' aside from the limitations specified below.

Does this mean, that the Mayor pledge package rewards are also vanishing ?

Not possible. Not a worry.

Posted By Lofi at 10:50 PM - Thu Aug 22 2019

"The item can be merged with other Count or Countess Titles during D&SS to create a multi-county."

How does this work?

If they have a mayor title in their inventory they can upgrade it to a count title if they already have a count title it will merge to be a multi domain.

HolyAvengerOne - 1 month ago

I'll pass, thanks.

How many are up for sale, exactly, per server?

Serpentius - 1 month ago
@HolyAvengerOne:

Posted By HolyAvengerOne at 9:41 PM - Thu Aug 22 2019

I'll pass, thanks.

How many are up for sale, exactly, per server?

The qty. available per server is shown in the store item page.

HolyAvengerOne - 1 month ago
@Serpentius:

Posted By Serpentius at 09:54 AM - Fri Aug 23 2019

Posted By HolyAvengerOne at 9:41 PM - Thu Aug 22 2019

I'll pass, thanks.

How many are up for sale, exactly, per server?

The qty. available per server is shown in the store item page.

Ahh, I had missed that, thanks!!

Btw, is ZRO still involved in making the website part of things for you guys? He was the one that lead the building of the latter part/current version of the store, iirc, wasn't he?

NightTarot - 1 month ago
@HolyAvengerOne:

Posted By HolyAvengerOne at 9:41 PM - Thu Aug 22 2019

I'll pass, thanks.

How many are up for sale, exactly, per server?

This is an educated guess, because you can see how many available are left on the store but:

Angelica 1000 | Luna 750 | Selene 1250 | Oceanus 250

Neurotoxin - 1 month ago

I come here to state that I was going to feign anger and sarcastically applaud this while slamming on any detractors, but you devs have been through enough.

This is great, has no bearing on my account because I'm a guaranteed traveler, but now that we understand the dynamics of how this all works, it is a great upgrade to offer. I'm sure we'll talk about it on the next episode.

rummil - 1 month ago

If you are looking for a mayor title, dutch auction is a good time for the upgrade. Get your pick with everything is out there.

Reading over the terms, you might see a few more double counties. With more settlements.

Axalion - 1 month ago

Any chance us commoners could take any of these Mayor titles the fresh Count/Countesses are leaving behind?

I'd be satisfied either way. I just completely lost track of when this was happening and forgot to upgrade when I got my new job.

VioletWinterlynn - 1 month ago
@Axalion:

Posted By Axalion at 8:52 PM - Thu Aug 22 2019

Any chance us commoners could take any of these Mayor titles the fresh Count/Countesses are leaving behind?

I'd be satisfied either way. I just completely lost track of when this was happening and forgot to upgrade when I got my new job.

They aren't leaving them behind, they are upgrading them. Trading them in.

Jodre_Uidhir - 1 month ago

I feel as though this is a very mature solution to a fairly complex issue. Lots of Mayors from my understanding were unhappy and I'm sure TONS of them will be very happy with this choice. Every time I see SBS making a change for the fans I gain so much more confidence for CoE and SBS as a whole.

rummil - 1 month ago

This made me happy, and thank you for listening to peoples concerns. I think this respects the people that bought the packages earlier. They still get preference in time and a chance to get an extra slice. . then the mayors get a chance to upgrade. Very well though out!

DS&S comes out and people pick. Then, Reverse County.

Cydon - 1 month ago

What if I upgrade my mayor title obtained from the sister settlement promotion ?

Veteran - 1 month ago

If I choose an upgrade now, do I have to claim a count position or can I throw the cash away and pick a mayor settlement if I change my mind?

VioletWinterlynn - 1 month ago
@Veteran:

Posted By Veteran at 8:13 PM - Thu Aug 22 2019

If I choose an upgrade now, do I have to claim a count position or can I throw the cash away and pick a mayor settlement if I change my mind?

I asked this question for you and the answer replied was:

Unfortunately, you'd have to claim a county and a settlement. But you could always will the count title to someone else later and keep the settlement....

RayneZ - 1 month ago

Boss, solves my problem

Raziel - 1 month ago

That’s great for all those mayors that seemed in a stressful situation.

CountShady - 1 month ago

lol this is gonna be funny come selection time.

KipFoE - 1 month ago

$375! Too rich for my humble blood

CountStalvind - 1 month ago

FK never gets anything fun. lol

Tenna - 1 month ago

Hmmm